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		By: John McCreery		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John McCreery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 10:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ryan, allow me to recommend a book of which few who visit this site will have heard. Dominique DesJeux is a French anthropologist. His book is &lt;em&gt;The anthropological perspective of the world: the inductive method illustrated&lt;/em&gt;. Dominique has a lot to say about how to conduct research that spans macrosocial, mesosocial, and microindividual scales of analysis. https://www.amazon.co.jp/s?k=Dominique+Desjeux+anthropological+perspective&#038;i=english-books&#038;ref=nb_sb_noss]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, allow me to recommend a book of which few who visit this site will have heard. Dominique DesJeux is a French anthropologist. His book is <em>The anthropological perspective of the world: the inductive method illustrated</em>. Dominique has a lot to say about how to conduct research that spans macrosocial, mesosocial, and microindividual scales of analysis. <a href="https://www.amazon.co.jp/s?k=Dominique+Desjeux+anthropological+perspective&#038;i=english-books&#038;ref=nb_sb_noss" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.amazon.co.jp/s?k=Dominique+Desjeux+anthropological+perspective&#038;i=english-books&#038;ref=nb_sb_noss</a></p>
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		By: Barbara Piper		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2019 10:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2019/07/07/accumulation-by-media-saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-2931&quot;&gt;John McCreery&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;No longer my cup of tea.&quot;

Whose cup of tea is it these days? I rarely check the website any longer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2019/07/07/accumulation-by-media-saturation/comment-page-1/#comment-2931">John McCreery</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;No longer my cup of tea.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whose cup of tea is it these days? I rarely check the website any longer.</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 13:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi John, ya I think that the promise that anyone can &quot;enjoy a unique experience usually reserved for the hip and elite&quot; is one of the mainstays of a lot of tourism, coastal or otherwise. What interests me here is how places are transformed to help sell those promises.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John, ya I think that the promise that anyone can &#8220;enjoy a unique experience usually reserved for the hip and elite&#8221; is one of the mainstays of a lot of tourism, coastal or otherwise. What interests me here is how places are transformed to help sell those promises.</p>
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		By: John McCreery		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John McCreery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Aug 2019 11:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ryan, my turn to say sorry, I no longer check this site regularly. No longer my cup of tea. One thing to be careful of is reading  aspirational imagery as targeting. Suggesting to middle-class tourists that they can enjoy a unique experience usually reserved for the hip and elite is at least as common as using beautiful models to sell cosmetics to customers with ordinary good or not-so-good looks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, my turn to say sorry, I no longer check this site regularly. No longer my cup of tea. One thing to be careful of is reading  aspirational imagery as targeting. Suggesting to middle-class tourists that they can enjoy a unique experience usually reserved for the hip and elite is at least as common as using beautiful models to sell cosmetics to customers with ordinary good or not-so-good looks.</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 00:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi John. Sorry for the delay getting back to you--for some reason Wordpress isn&#039;t telling me when I have comments on my posts here. Need to check into that. Anyway, I think you&#039;re right that it&#039;s not the super rich who are really the driving force behind tourism growth and development. It is likely that affluent middle class that you mention. This is one reason why the kind of tourism development that I&#039;m talking about here--which portends to cater to some elite and exclusive clientele--grabs my attention. Most tourists aren&#039;t going to be traveling on super yachts, but then there&#039;s this odd tendency with tourism media and imagery: a lot of it mimics, borrows, alludes, and play offs all the elite/exclusive discourse of certain forms of tourism. So we have all these sites flooded with promises about exclusivity and luxury etc etc, but most people aren&#039;t really going to get anywhere near all that. I think there&#039;s some of that going on in the site I&#039;m talking about here--all this talk about empty, pristine, elite, exclusive spaces...on the shores of town of a few thousand working class people who have been there for a long, long time. I mean, even the tourists who travel down to this part of Baja, well, most of them aren&#039;t among the ultra rich. Far from it. Many are middle class tourists coming from other parts of Mexico, and others are similarly positioned economically and coming from the US. And yet, there&#039;s this push to create this elite space. But, of course, just because some elite hotel pops up doesn&#039;t mean that other &quot;budget&quot; destinations don&#039;t fill in around it. Who knows--maybe it&#039;s good enough to be next door to that elite, ultra rich, yacht-strewn hotel? Or maybe many people could care less. I know many of the divers, surfers, and fishermen, and others who travel down to Baja definitely aren&#039;t looking for the second-coming of Monaco down there. This isn&#039;t the most elegant phrasing of all time, but tourism is a strange thing!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John. Sorry for the delay getting back to you&#8211;for some reason WordPress isn&#8217;t telling me when I have comments on my posts here. Need to check into that. Anyway, I think you&#8217;re right that it&#8217;s not the super rich who are really the driving force behind tourism growth and development. It is likely that affluent middle class that you mention. This is one reason why the kind of tourism development that I&#8217;m talking about here&#8211;which portends to cater to some elite and exclusive clientele&#8211;grabs my attention. Most tourists aren&#8217;t going to be traveling on super yachts, but then there&#8217;s this odd tendency with tourism media and imagery: a lot of it mimics, borrows, alludes, and play offs all the elite/exclusive discourse of certain forms of tourism. So we have all these sites flooded with promises about exclusivity and luxury etc etc, but most people aren&#8217;t really going to get anywhere near all that. I think there&#8217;s some of that going on in the site I&#8217;m talking about here&#8211;all this talk about empty, pristine, elite, exclusive spaces&#8230;on the shores of town of a few thousand working class people who have been there for a long, long time. I mean, even the tourists who travel down to this part of Baja, well, most of them aren&#8217;t among the ultra rich. Far from it. Many are middle class tourists coming from other parts of Mexico, and others are similarly positioned economically and coming from the US. And yet, there&#8217;s this push to create this elite space. But, of course, just because some elite hotel pops up doesn&#8217;t mean that other &#8220;budget&#8221; destinations don&#8217;t fill in around it. Who knows&#8211;maybe it&#8217;s good enough to be next door to that elite, ultra rich, yacht-strewn hotel? Or maybe many people could care less. I know many of the divers, surfers, and fishermen, and others who travel down to Baja definitely aren&#8217;t looking for the second-coming of Monaco down there. This isn&#8217;t the most elegant phrasing of all time, but tourism is a strange thing!</p>
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		By: John McCreery		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 06:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ryan, good to hear from you again. Serendipitously my wife and I have recently returned from a trip taken to celebrate our 50th wedding anniversary. The destinations included Iceland and the Isle of Skye in Scotland. Our experience makes me want to ask if anyone has done research on differences between the effects of tourism in the global South and tourism in the global North. Contrasting our experience with what you describe, I offer the following observations.


In both Iceland and Scotland, we heard tales about celebrities who pay fabulous sums for exclusive fishing rights in privately owned streams. Neither destination offered marina facilities or high-end accommodations for billionaires with super yachts. 
We did what elderly, middle class tourists often do and took minibus tours: Mercedes buses with knowledgeable local driver guides. At the places we stopped, we observed other tourists who had arrived in rented cars, together with smaller numbers of hard core trekkers and bicyclists. We were glad to avoid driving, walking, or bicycling since roads were frequently narrow, steep and twisty and often unpaved. Part of our guides’ schtick in both places was driving us over rough back roads to see places and enjoy experiences said to be off the usual tourist routes. 
In Iceland, our fellow passengers were a mature (younger than us) couple from Hong Kong, a still active businessman married to a retired banker and a Polish business consultant vacationing by himself. In Scotland, there were three Caucasians, us and a twenty-nine year old male designer from New York. There was one Korean girl, who may have been genuinely super rich. She was traveling by herself,  visiting Skye, then Oxford, on her way to watch the tennis finals at Wimbledon. The other eight passengers were Chinese: a family party comprised of a man, his wife, her sister and a son, all from Guangzhou, plus a mother and teenage son  and an unrelated stylish young couple, all from Shanghai. 
Catering to middle-class Chinese tourists is clearly the biggest thing shaking up global tourism today. Signage in airports and  toilets in Iceland is now in four languages: Icelandic, English, German and Mandarin. Mandarin has also replaced Japanese in signage in Scotland. 
In both Iceland and Scotland, the tourist industry is heavily dependent on seasonal labor provided by young people, primarily from Central Europe: Polish, Czech, Latvian, etc.  The Polish consultant in our first group remarked that he could speak Polish in every hotel and restaurant he visited in Iceland, where a local population of only 340,000 now caters to over two million tourists a year.  Skye was a bit different. There the surprise was the small, but biggest on the island, town of Portee, where our B&#038;B was located. There we found two Indian restaurants, one north, one South Indian, whose owners have lived on the island for decades. The owner of our B&#038;B was a German man who had married a local woman. 


I am not sure what to make of these observations. It seems clear, however, that the engine driving tourism industry growth worldwide is not the super rich but members of an affluent, cosmopolitan middle class, of whom members of China’s growing middle class, which already outnumbers the whole of the U.S. population, are a rapidly growing percentage.

Thoughts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan, good to hear from you again. Serendipitously my wife and I have recently returned from a trip taken to celebrate our 50th wedding anniversary. The destinations included Iceland and the Isle of Skye in Scotland. Our experience makes me want to ask if anyone has done research on differences between the effects of tourism in the global South and tourism in the global North. Contrasting our experience with what you describe, I offer the following observations.</p>
<p>In both Iceland and Scotland, we heard tales about celebrities who pay fabulous sums for exclusive fishing rights in privately owned streams. Neither destination offered marina facilities or high-end accommodations for billionaires with super yachts.<br />
We did what elderly, middle class tourists often do and took minibus tours: Mercedes buses with knowledgeable local driver guides. At the places we stopped, we observed other tourists who had arrived in rented cars, together with smaller numbers of hard core trekkers and bicyclists. We were glad to avoid driving, walking, or bicycling since roads were frequently narrow, steep and twisty and often unpaved. Part of our guides’ schtick in both places was driving us over rough back roads to see places and enjoy experiences said to be off the usual tourist routes.<br />
In Iceland, our fellow passengers were a mature (younger than us) couple from Hong Kong, a still active businessman married to a retired banker and a Polish business consultant vacationing by himself. In Scotland, there were three Caucasians, us and a twenty-nine year old male designer from New York. There was one Korean girl, who may have been genuinely super rich. She was traveling by herself,  visiting Skye, then Oxford, on her way to watch the tennis finals at Wimbledon. The other eight passengers were Chinese: a family party comprised of a man, his wife, her sister and a son, all from Guangzhou, plus a mother and teenage son  and an unrelated stylish young couple, all from Shanghai.<br />
Catering to middle-class Chinese tourists is clearly the biggest thing shaking up global tourism today. Signage in airports and  toilets in Iceland is now in four languages: Icelandic, English, German and Mandarin. Mandarin has also replaced Japanese in signage in Scotland.<br />
In both Iceland and Scotland, the tourist industry is heavily dependent on seasonal labor provided by young people, primarily from Central Europe: Polish, Czech, Latvian, etc.  The Polish consultant in our first group remarked that he could speak Polish in every hotel and restaurant he visited in Iceland, where a local population of only 340,000 now caters to over two million tourists a year.  Skye was a bit different. There the surprise was the small, but biggest on the island, town of Portee, where our B&amp;B was located. There we found two Indian restaurants, one north, one South Indian, whose owners have lived on the island for decades. The owner of our B&amp;B was a German man who had married a local woman. </p>
<p>I am not sure what to make of these observations. It seems clear, however, that the engine driving tourism industry growth worldwide is not the super rich but members of an affluent, cosmopolitan middle class, of whom members of China’s growing middle class, which already outnumbers the whole of the U.S. population, are a rapidly growing percentage.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		By: anthropologist from the south		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jul 2019 17:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How to travel to &quot;paradise-like&quot; destinations being an anthropologist? I have found it extremely hard. Traveling to such places in my own country, Brazil, I always find myself talking to fishermen and other people who, in the tourism business, are employed as low-paid work force or choose to be self-employed in tourism businesses. Paradise-like resorts and hotels often make hell out of local people&#039;s lives, buying land for little money, blocking their from accessing beaches and setting up business by the shore etc.
And what is more devastating relates to what you wrote ate the end of your post: families who have lived in such places for many decades and even for over a century are made invisible. They only matter as long as they can be employed as maids ou waitress and the like. And it is as if no one has lived in such areas before some rich White folks from other parts of the country ou thr world have landed there and built their exclusive cozy hotels.
I find it hard to keep being a tourist. On the other hand, I have found local people creating their own business and making money on sustainable practices on a recent trip to a famous beach destination. And as all destinations, their fame come and go, and they turn into different places each decade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to travel to &#8220;paradise-like&#8221; destinations being an anthropologist? I have found it extremely hard. Traveling to such places in my own country, Brazil, I always find myself talking to fishermen and other people who, in the tourism business, are employed as low-paid work force or choose to be self-employed in tourism businesses. Paradise-like resorts and hotels often make hell out of local people&#8217;s lives, buying land for little money, blocking their from accessing beaches and setting up business by the shore etc.<br />
And what is more devastating relates to what you wrote ate the end of your post: families who have lived in such places for many decades and even for over a century are made invisible. They only matter as long as they can be employed as maids ou waitress and the like. And it is as if no one has lived in such areas before some rich White folks from other parts of the country ou thr world have landed there and built their exclusive cozy hotels.<br />
I find it hard to keep being a tourist. On the other hand, I have found local people creating their own business and making money on sustainable practices on a recent trip to a famous beach destination. And as all destinations, their fame come and go, and they turn into different places each decade.</p>
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