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		By: Adventures in chatGPT #2: A conversation with Nick Seaver &#124; anthro{dendum}		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adventures in chatGPT #2: A conversation with Nick Seaver &#124; anthro{dendum}]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] writing my last post about chatGPT, I got in touch with Nick Seaver to see what he had to say about some of these [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] writing my last post about chatGPT, I got in touch with Nick Seaver to see what he had to say about some of these [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 17:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just a quick update about the &#039;hallucination&#039; and where it may have come from. I do think it&#039;s related to what Ted Chiang writes about in the New Yorker piece. So there is someone named David Wilkie who has done some anthro and conservation biology-type of work. But not in Cabo Pulmo or Mexico. And one of the people that I interviewed for my doctoral work, and who appears in my dissertation, goes by the name &quot;Wilkie.&quot; I think chatGPT basically filled in the blanks between those two points and that&#039;s where the fabrication came from. Although I still find it amazing how confidently it spit out those fabricated details...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick update about the &#8216;hallucination&#8217; and where it may have come from. I do think it&#8217;s related to what Ted Chiang writes about in the New Yorker piece. So there is someone named David Wilkie who has done some anthro and conservation biology-type of work. But not in Cabo Pulmo or Mexico. And one of the people that I interviewed for my doctoral work, and who appears in my dissertation, goes by the name &#8220;Wilkie.&#8221; I think chatGPT basically filled in the blanks between those two points and that&#8217;s where the fabrication came from. Although I still find it amazing how confidently it spit out those fabricated details&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 17:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5924&quot;&gt;dmf&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks to you both dmf and Kirsten for your comments. I think the idea of bringing in more case studies and fieldwork-based writing would help address part of the problem here. If we&#039;re just asking students to find information and copy it into another context, that&#039;s really just repetitive work. It&#039;s no surprise that some end up using tools like chatGPT. Some of the suggestions for dealing with this problem include adding more specificity to assignment prompts...and linking to fieldwork-based assignments could be one way to do that. Although not all assignments can have that component.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5924">dmf</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks to you both dmf and Kirsten for your comments. I think the idea of bringing in more case studies and fieldwork-based writing would help address part of the problem here. If we&#8217;re just asking students to find information and copy it into another context, that&#8217;s really just repetitive work. It&#8217;s no surprise that some end up using tools like chatGPT. Some of the suggestions for dealing with this problem include adding more specificity to assignment prompts&#8230;and linking to fieldwork-based assignments could be one way to do that. Although not all assignments can have that component.</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 17:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5924&quot;&gt;dmf&lt;/a&gt;.

Dmf, ya that&#039;s a great point you bring up. This kind of tech reveals some of the weaknesses in how we&#039;re teaching writing, especially the cut-and-paste and decontextualized quote dumping that often stands in for writing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5924">dmf</a>.</p>
<p>Dmf, ya that&#8217;s a great point you bring up. This kind of tech reveals some of the weaknesses in how we&#8217;re teaching writing, especially the cut-and-paste and decontextualized quote dumping that often stands in for writing.</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2023 17:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5922&quot;&gt;Dr. JC&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for that link! That&#039;s a good read!]]></description>
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<p>Thanks for that link! That&#8217;s a good read!</p>
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		By: Kirsten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirsten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2023 03:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5926&quot;&gt;dmf&lt;/a&gt;.

If I were to distill my disappointment about undergraduate studies to just one point that would be it. The lack of anchor between theory and fieldwork. In my entire degree there was only the ethnography unit with mandatory field work and primary research. Everything else was digesting other people&#039;s work and theory in the way we had been told. Don&#039;t misunderstand me, theory and framework are essential to being an anthropologist, but field work and development of personal thoughts and theories is surely of equal importance?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5926">dmf</a>.</p>
<p>If I were to distill my disappointment about undergraduate studies to just one point that would be it. The lack of anchor between theory and fieldwork. In my entire degree there was only the ethnography unit with mandatory field work and primary research. Everything else was digesting other people&#8217;s work and theory in the way we had been told. Don&#8217;t misunderstand me, theory and framework are essential to being an anthropologist, but field work and development of personal thoughts and theories is surely of equal importance?</p>
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		By: dmf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2023 02:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5924&quot;&gt;dmf&lt;/a&gt;.

hi Kirsten, it&#039;s a good question about how test whether or not students grasp materials or have merely learned how to cut and paste (most university writing programs aren&#039;t helping) but surely most of our current means aren&#039;t getting to it, but this also extends into many articles and even books I&#039;ve been asked to review or just read for my own work. We need to get back to something more like case-studies (field work) so that there is something in the world to compare marks on the page/screen to, something beyond grammar...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5924">dmf</a>.</p>
<p>hi Kirsten, it&#8217;s a good question about how test whether or not students grasp materials or have merely learned how to cut and paste (most university writing programs aren&#8217;t helping) but surely most of our current means aren&#8217;t getting to it, but this also extends into many articles and even books I&#8217;ve been asked to review or just read for my own work. We need to get back to something more like case-studies (field work) so that there is something in the world to compare marks on the page/screen to, something beyond grammar&#8230;</p>
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		By: Kirsten		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirsten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2023 00:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5924&quot;&gt;dmf&lt;/a&gt;.

It did strike me as very &quot;undergraduate&quot; writing. I went to university with a student who confessed to me she was at university because her parents said they would pay. No other reason. She picked anthropology because it sounded easy. She told me she didn&#039;t understand any of it. Once we did a group project together I believed her! She would average at 70% for her submitted work. A higher average than many students I would have considered more committed anthropologists. So I agree we teach students to do not much better. What is the point of an assessment?  And how do most assessments actually demonstrate an understanding of the discipline? From experience trying to meet the assignment deadline gets directly in the way of actually learning the unit content.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="/2023/02/23/adventures-in-chatgpt-meet-david-wilkie-anthropologist/comment-page-1/#comment-5924">dmf</a>.</p>
<p>It did strike me as very &#8220;undergraduate&#8221; writing. I went to university with a student who confessed to me she was at university because her parents said they would pay. No other reason. She picked anthropology because it sounded easy. She told me she didn&#8217;t understand any of it. Once we did a group project together I believed her! She would average at 70% for her submitted work. A higher average than many students I would have considered more committed anthropologists. So I agree we teach students to do not much better. What is the point of an assessment?  And how do most assessments actually demonstrate an understanding of the discipline? From experience trying to meet the assignment deadline gets directly in the way of actually learning the unit content.</p>
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		By: dmf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2023 17:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A good time perhaps to think about the relatively frictionless ease of academic speculation, these bots have no way to grasp concrete realities, they are just working on grammar/pattern-recognition, and in this way remind me of many academic papers (not to mention students sent out to produce papers over a weekend with x-numbers of cut &#038; pasted citations) where quotes/author-ities are taken out of context and patched together to produce works which are divorced from any testing against the on the ground cases of what is actually happening, perhaps we can do better?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good time perhaps to think about the relatively frictionless ease of academic speculation, these bots have no way to grasp concrete realities, they are just working on grammar/pattern-recognition, and in this way remind me of many academic papers (not to mention students sent out to produce papers over a weekend with x-numbers of cut &amp; pasted citations) where quotes/author-ities are taken out of context and patched together to produce works which are divorced from any testing against the on the ground cases of what is actually happening, perhaps we can do better?</p>
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		By: Dr. JC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. JC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2023 11:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is great. It complements very well (worryingly too well) Nick Cave&#039;s position on this fabricator that chatGPT  turns out to be. See his red hand file reply to someone asked chatGPT to write a song In his &#039;style&#039; https://www.theredhandfiles.com/chat-gpt-what-do-you-think/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great. It complements very well (worryingly too well) Nick Cave&#8217;s position on this fabricator that chatGPT  turns out to be. See his red hand file reply to someone asked chatGPT to write a song In his &#8216;style&#8217; <a href="https://www.theredhandfiles.com/chat-gpt-what-do-you-think/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theredhandfiles.com/chat-gpt-what-do-you-think/</a></p>
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